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representative of this country's greatest city. new york, new york. the town so nice they named it twice. i believe is too nice for this. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening, from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight on "all in" our national conversation on race, another county is heard from. bill o'reilly delivers the angry white man position, and it is a rant that requires a response. that is coming up. also tonight, i'll tell you how every time you buy a can of soda, you're helping make the big banks even bigger. senator sherrod brown is my guest on this absolutely crazy story. but we begin tonight and, perhaps, you predicted this, dear viewer, with carlos danger. that is not a superhero cartoon on telemundo.
it is a secret online identity used by one anthony weiner, former u.s. congressman, current candidate for mayor of this great city of new york which he used as he allegedly engaged in explicit sexual messages with a 22-year-old woman on the internet. this reported today by a website called "the dirty" which i didn't think i'd be speaking about tonight which treated us all to more uncomfortably creepy selfies taken by anthoniey wein and full of language we can't repeat here. the breaking revelations in the carlos danger story was not that there was more creepy anthony weiner on the internet, but after weiner resigned from congress in 2011, meaning after the fire storm, after the awful press conferences with andrew breitbart heckling him, after he resigned from his job, anthony weiner continued this behavior online. after a brief statement this
northern morning, the mayoral candidate called a 5:00 p.m. press conference and he did not drop out of the race. >> good afternoon, my name is anthony weiner, democratic candidate for mayor of the city of new york. i have said that other texts and photos were likely to come out, and today they have. as i've said in the past, these things that i did were wrong and hurtful to my wife and caused us to two through many challenges in our marriage that extended past my resignation from congress. while some of the things that have been posted today are true and some are not, there is no question that what i did was wrong. this behavior is behind me. i've apologized to my wife, and i'm grateful that she has worked through these issues with me and that i had her forgiveness. i want to, again, say how very sorry i am to anyone who was at the receiving end of these messages and the disruption that this has caused. and my wife, as i have said, my wife and i, as i have said, are moving forward together.
to some degree, with 49 days left until primary day, perhaps i'm surprised that more things didn't come out sooner. i'm responsible for this behavior that led us to be in this place, but in many ways things are not that much different than they were yesterday. this behavior that i did was problematic, to say the least, destructive, to say the most. caused many stresses and strains in my marriage. but i'm pleased and blessed that she has given me a second chance. now, some have asked the question, where does this fit in? some timeline? some timeline of the continuum of the resignation. the resignation was not a point in time that was nearly as important to my wife and me as the challenges in our marriage and the challenges of the things i had done and working through them. some of these things happened before my resignation.
some of them happened after, but the fact is that that was also the time that my wife and i were working through some things in our marriage. >> the food news, for weiner, there were no howard stern hecklers this time. the assembled press was quite reasonably focused on the idea that, wow, man, i mean, losing wrr job as a congressman and possibly your entire political career wasn't enough to break you of this really self-destructive habit. but it became clear, as weiner took questions, no, no, it wasn't. >> i said there were more things out there. there were -- this is -- you have as a fixed time the resignation as the important moment in the public discussion. that was when the public got a glimpse into something that we had been working on before, during and since, and this behavior of mine was part of that. i think i've said in my statement, one of the things i'm not going to do, and i said it to your newspaper, is i'm not going to get into a back and forth with people who are
releasing things, whether they be true or not. people have a right to say whatever they want, and i brought that upon myself. i'm prepared now to dispute anything that's out there, but suffice it to say that people are out there saying things that are not true. >> most of this strange exhibition was beginning to look like the kind of press conference we have all seen before. the contrite male politician, so sorry for his sins, with the support of wife awkwardly standing silently behind her man. but then something truly amazing happened, as houma abadein, accomplished aide to hillary clinton, and supportive wife to anthony weiner, took to the microphone, herself. >> as many of you who have followed this campaign now, i've spent a good deal out on the campaign trail.
at churches and street fairs. parades. but this is the first time i've spoken at a press conference, and you'll have to bear with me because i'm very nervous and i wrote down what i wanted to say. when we faced this in public two years ago, it was the twinning of a time in our marriage that was very difficult and it took us a very long time to get through it. our marriage, like many others, has had its ups and its downs. it took a lot of work and a whole lot of therapy to get to a place where i could forgive anthony. it was not an easy choice in any way, but i made the decision that it was worth staying in this marriage. that was a decision i made for
me, for our son, and for our family. i didn't know how it would work out, but i did know that i wanted to give it a try. anthony's made some horrible mistakes, both before he resigned from congress and after, but i do very strongly believe that that is between us and our marriage. we discussed all of this before anthony decided he would run for mayor. so really what i want to say is i love him, i have forgiven him, i believe in him, and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. thank you very much. >> and somehow, huma abedin convinced me that this was not the spectacle i thought it was. revolutionize the way i had
understood this entire thing unfolding before my eyes. joining me now, journalist rebecca tracer, author of "big girls don't cry." and maureen cogan for "the new republic" and "gq." she basically said, look, if anyone has cause to have beef with this, it is me, above you all, and i have forgiven him, so back up. and i found that surprisingly a persuasive argument. >> i thought she was very persuasive. i was none too pleased to see her standing there when i tuned into the press conference, like oh, god, no, i do not need to have the wife walk. her statement was persuasive, she's immensely likable, she's so smart, she's terrific. i do think, though, it was persuasive. i believe her. she loves this guy. they are going to move forward together. >> i like the way she hit lots of therapy. she really hit the lots. >> lots. lots of recent therapy
apparently. >> right now, our therapist is off stage. >> he's right there, he's the guy behind us. >> watching us. >> he's watching us. but, so all of that, i agree with you. i was very persuaded about the, you know, that they have a deal, they have a situation. they have an understanding. they have a connection. she persuaded me of all that. i was not persuaded that i want to be listening to press conferences like this every six months. >> totally. >> that's the separate, all the justification of moving forward together is one thing. moving forward -- >> maureen, that seems to me the issue here from a political perspective is that, like, we don't -- there's enough of this caper, right? at a certain point, it becomes unmanageable. and also the weird drip, drip, drip of it. i mean, his first instinct is to say, well, i told you there were these other text and messages out there and i was right because i'm a truth teller. >> look, if they have an arra e arrangemearrang arrangele, they should just say that. it bothers me how dishonest this feels. you know, whether or not he said this specifically, we were sort
of sold this bill of goods that when he resigned he had learned from his lesson, he was going through therapy, he was really going to learn from all this. we're finding out now that's no trnot not true. if they have an arrangement, the brave thing to do would be to say that. i was not persuaded by huma's lovely and eloquent statement. to me it seems like evidence the two of them think he's so important and so talented that there's no other public servant who could be doing a better job sort of running the city, and there's something to me that feels very narcissistic about that. >> i will say that, ryan, his bizarre seeming relish in being in the middle of this, which, again, i done kn't know inside guy's mind, but it read a little bit as relish, was genuinely disturbing and offputting. >> yeah, i mean, there are stories about how after his last, you know, debacle of a press conference that was interrupted by breitbart, et cetera, he went, you know, back to a hotel room and watched, you
know, the coverage afterwards for a significant amount of time. that's -- he, you know, hello, anthony. he's probably watching right now. that's the kind of guy he is. and, you know, if that's the kind of mayor that new york city wants, then that's the kind they're going to get. the only thing -- i would disagree with rebecca that we don't want to see these every six months. practically the only upside i could see of a weiner mayor would be events like this every six months. >> i was going to add to what ryan said. among the pieces of the report today, this woman who he apparently had this ongoing sexting relationship with, they cut off contact in fall. i saw reported today he got back in touch after the big "new york times" magazine story about their revived story to see what she thought of it. >> i think, too, i have this thought in these moments about the just strange perverse nature of being in the public eye at
all. about choosing -- about the choice for them together to do this together. i think that was the thing about that was persuasive about huma stepping forward and saying i own this decision, i am not some nonplayer in this. like, i'm a part of this, we made this decision together, but also it made them very unrelatable, like, what is wrong with you people that you want to go through this? >> yeah, i was totally not charmed by that. it seemed to me like evidence they both really just believe in him to a crazy, crazy degree. i think there's something crazy about thinking that despite the fact you can't even focus on the issues, your sense of personal judgment is so bad you can't not make your political campaigns into freak shows did not reflect well on them. >> ryan? >> yeah, i mean, the thing about -- the strange thing about that posture is that it's not as if anthony weiner has a career of accomplishments. you know, where you can say
that, okay, you know, these are the things that you have to put up with, but look what he got done. look what we got done for new york. look what he got done for the country. he's been in politics basically since he was a teenager. he was in congress for a fairly long time. he never joined the progressive caucus or any other, you know, organized entity in there. he was never interested in legislation. he wasn't interested even in, you know, trying to rise in leadership. none of that. he had no close colleagues in the house. what he wanted to do was get on msnbc and get on cable and go down to the house floor and -- >> which is the most debase thing in the freaking universe as we all know. >> he gave amazing speeches on the house floor and slash and destroy republicans from the podium there. that was kind of it. >> right. >> so the question is, is that what this is about? >> what are you getting? rebecca? >> i also think one of the things that happened today, huma
was drawn in in a way that i don't know is going to do her good. those of us thought, perhaps, that the sexting and the scandal shouldn't destroy a political career, but perhaps this is a bridge of stupidity too far, a lack of self-control. now huma is coming in and becoming slightly more culpable than she ever did before. >> that's a really good point. same world, saying west bank is not occupied which anthony weiner said. thank you, all. while we're all collectively obsessing over anthony weiner's sex scandal, there's a guy on the other side of the country accused of doing something much, much, much worse than what anthony weiner did and he's refusing to resign. i'm going to introduce you to him coming up. a real gate keeper. here's kevin, the new boyfriend. lamb to the slaughter. that's right brent. mom's baked cookies but he'll be lucky to make it inside. and here's the play. oh dad did not see this coming. [ crowd cheering ] now if kevin can just seize the opportunity.
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former congressman anthony weiner's latest sexting and selfie scandal is taking up most of our collective sex scandal bandwidth now. there's another former congressman, democrat, who should be way more famous than he is for his own scandal which has been spiraling out of control for days now and is, i think, far more serious and worthy of public scrutiny and condemnation than new pics of anthony weiner's junk. bob filner is the former ten-term california congressman who's now mayor of san diego and oh, boy, does he have himself a scandal. what sets bob filner's sex scandal apart from anthony weiner's is the foundational
moral concept of consent. nearly all of what weiner did was consensual, creepy as people find it. not so with filner, accused of chronic, ongoing, systemic sexual harassment of staffers and constituents alike. a press conference last week, a lawyer described what are allegedly commonly used terms around the mayor's office. "the filner head lock" meaning the mayor wrapping his arm around a woman and directing her to a place where they can be alone. and the filner dance where the mayor attempts to kiss the woman and she pulls away. the same press conference, a former san diego city councilwoman and former filner staffer read accounts from two unidentified women who reported run-ins with filner. >> over the past many weeks, the mayor's pattern of behavior has become clear to me. it begins with him checking a woman's availability through asking her about a spouse or a boyfriend. then isolating the women somewhere off where they can
talk i would like to read to you the stories from two women who met with the mayor, and i want to provide you some specifics. mayor filner grabbed me and kissed me. i was able to push myself away and hurriedly left the room, very upset. on the sidewalk, the mayor suddenly in clear view of anyone who might pass by, grabbed and kissed her, jamming his tongue down her throat. the mayor quickly had his hand on the inside of her bra and was, again, trying to put his tongue down her throat. >> those details emerged last week. by the weekend the san diego county sheriffs department had set up a hotline for people who wanted to report sexual misconduct by the mayor of san diego. then yesterday, one of mayor filner's accusers, his former communications director, filed a lawsuit against him and aired her own set of allegations in front of a camera. >> the past six months turned out to be the worst time of my entire working life.
i was placed in the filner head lock and moved around as a rag doll while he whispered sexual comments in my ear. we did not have a relationship other than work. that is all i wanted, and i never gave him any reason to think otherwise. mayor filner challenged me to give him one example of how his behavior toward me was improper. i pointed out that he had asked me to work without my underwear on. he had no comeback. his behavior made me feel ashamed, frightened and violated. >> the charges against him first began to emerge about two weeks ago. bob filner released a video message in which he apologized for his behavior and promised to change but refused calls to resign. >> i've reached into my heart
and soul and realized i must and will change my behavior. i have begun to work with professionals to make changes in my behavior and approach. in addition, my staff and i will participate in sexual harassment training provided by the city. >> and who knows, maybe a little workplace sexual harassment training would clear up any potential unwanted kissing, groping, head locking and panty removal requests that may be going on in the mayor's office. the allegations against him have grown in number and specificity, mayor filner's response to the scandal has been to dig in his heels even further. after his former communication director's press conference idea the mayor issued a statement saying in part, "once due process is allowed to unfold, i'm certain there will be a better understanding of this situation." maybe there will be. in the meantime, the calls for his resignation from his own allies are growing, as they should. joining me now, todd gloria, a democrat who is president of the san diego city council. if filner resigns, he could become interim mayor. council member, my understanding is you're calling for the mayor
to resign, and my question to you is, how is it possible he has not resigned yet? >> well, i think it's a situation where his ego and thirst for power really exceed his willingness or desire to continue to do the right thing which would be to step down. it's unfortunate, he has left the city in disarray. he is not capable of running our city. that's why myself and so many others have called on him to resign. >> are you saying this because you would become the interim mayor if he were to step down? >> absolutely not, chris. as a native san diagen and proud progressive democrat, we worked hard to get our first democratic mayor in a generation and got this man who now eight months later clearly is incapable of leading our city. this has nothing to do with anything about an acting mayor situation. this is everything to do about righting a wrong, respecting these women that he clearly does not respect, and stopping the increasing liability of the taxpayers who will have to pay off settlements to these women who are coming forward. >> here is my question. this is a guy who served in congress for 20 years. okay? and my sense is that if these
allegations are true, and i'm inclined to believe them based on number and specificity of people who have come forward, this is not something he started doing several months ago when he became the mayor of san diego. what does it say to you, what do you think about washington, d.c., and the culture of capitol hill when you think art the fact this guy was there for 20 years and we didn't hear a peep about any of this? >> that's one of difficulties the mayor found. chief executive of the eighth hardest city in the country. he hasn't been able to escape the scrutiny he may have been able to get away with it washington, d.c. here he's in the unfortunate position of avoiding meetings with the public, evading the press and makes him incapable of leading our city. he is not meeting with the public any longer, and it's just an unfortunate situation. one of the reasons why so many people are asking for him to go. we do not need washington-style politics running america's finest city. >> here, well, america's finest city. i want to play this from bob filner in sort of kind of
explaining and copping to the behavior. he had this very interesting explanation of it. take a listen. >> i am embarrassed to admit i have failed to fully respect the women who work for me and with me and that at times i have intimidated them. it's a good thing that behavior that would have been tolerated in the past is being called out in this generation for what it is. inappropriate and wrong. >> what do you make of that explanation? that i'm from a different generation where this was okay? and it's good that it's not now okay but also a product of my times? >> it's ridiculous. this was never acceptable. harassment and disrespect of women was not acceptable then. it surely isn't acceptable now. and it, what's most disturbing about those comments is that he basically is admitting to this behavior. he subsequently goes on to admit that he needs help. he has told reporters that he has a monster living inside of him, and he's sort of also excused this by saying he's a hugger of men and women. well, this is not about hugging.
this is about sexual harassment of women. of violating their personal space, of using his authority as mayor against women who are under his supervision. >> and it is about violating the foundation concept of content which should guide every single ethical decision that a human being makes in whatever situation they find themselves, whether it's sex or not. todd gloria, president of san diego city council. thank you so much. if you're enjoying a nice, frosty beverage in a can right now, you'll be very interested in my next story. don't go away. ♪
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billion aluminum cans used in the country over a year, that's $5 billion. it has cost american consumers according to the "the new york times." that includes the aluminum sold for cars and house siding and electronics. there's a picture of the very raw materials in question. aluminum, a 2003 regulation allows wall street banks to purchase actual physical commodities. the federal reserve is now considering whether this regulation should end. the fed should consider this very carefully because it certainly looks like the banks have figured out how to game the system to make a fat lot of money with no actual benefit to anyone but themselves. solisen to this. okay. for example, goldman sachs bought metro international trade services and more than 25% of the available supply of aluminum is stored in that company's detroit warehouses. and on a daily basis, a fleet of trucks moves the aluminum around
and around from one warehouse to another. a fork lift driver calls it a merry-go-round of metal. the purpose is to slow delivery times, and it's working. slowing delivery times from six weeks on average to 16 months now. because of the way commodities are priced, that raises the cost of aluminum on the market and that puts some extra money in the pockets of the financial institutions that own these materials. in fact, coca cola, itself, and other manufacturers avoid buying the aluminum from these warehouses because of the incredible delays, but they cannot avoid paying the inflated market price. financial companies are in other markets as well, oil, wheat, cotton and coffee. if you consume it, if it's a commodity, they're into it. the federal reserve could do one simple thing to stop this. the fed can decide to end this practice. one that never should have been allowed in the first place. there are companies out there
that twhal do produactually do productive work, take raw materials and turn them into a thing they sell to people. banks move money around. if you let the banks hijack the actual raw materials we actually make product from, they can rip us off yet again. this very issue, in fact, was addressed today in the united states senate. joining me now is senator sherrod brown, democrat from ohio. he led senate committee hearings today that focused on bank ownership of commodities operations. my first question to you, senator, is how has this been going on under everyone's noses for three years? and my sense is no one knew this was happening until the "the new york times" wrote about it. >> we found out it was happening because some of the can manufacturer -- the soft drink and the beer manufacturers came to us and said that they have been -- that the whole laws of supply and demand were upsidedown, that the wall street companies, you mentioned goldman sachs, there are two other banks that have been part of this, there's goldman, there's jpmorgan chase, and there's
morgan stanley, i guess, for the three. that those three banks, whether it's oil or copper or aluminum, they've gamed the system and they've only been allowed to do this for around a decade and they're getting more and more inquisitive, if you will, as they gain more and more power in the marketplace. let me give you a good example. one of these, morgan stanley owns 80 tankers, 80 oil tankers and owns refining capacity. they also bet on side bets on the price of oil. so if 80 of these tankers, if some of their tankers, they decided to just not deliver oil for a period of "x" number of days and then bet on oil prices spiking because of supply and demand -- >> unbelievable. >> -- they could probably make a killing. so it's this kind of reaching into the real economy that can cause such damage in terms of stability among in the financial system, in terms of the profits they make, in terms of gaming the public and fleecing, in many cases, the manufacturers who
then have to pass these costs on to the public. >> am i right the fed, essentially, this is one of those problems -- we cover a lot of stuff on this show that's complicated, throw up your hands and say, how do we solve this? there's a solution here, right? the fed can make the chase that jp morgan can't be running oil tankers around and goldman sachs can't have warehouses full of ab aluminum if they want to. >> we think that's the solution you just suggest. part of the problem is the federal reserve won't -- we don't have enough information from the banks yet. that will probably be the next subcommittee hearing. we also can't get enough information from the fed in terms of there is a five or a ten-year renewal, if you will, on these rules that they've promulgated. the fed hasn't even told us yet when this deadline is up because they simply aren't releasing the information. so we likely bring them in front of the committee. >> wait a second. wait a second. wait a second. senator, you're saying the federal reserve will not tell
you, united states senator on the senate banking committee, will no tell you when the rule in question that is allowing this activity is up for renewal? >> that's correct. they have not told us. we've not done it through a hearing. we've done it through conversations with the fed, but they have not released that information yet. and, i mean, this whole thing is so difficult to look into and to understand, and that's what -- i mean, wall street's counted on that for decades. particularly the last decade. that nobody can quite understand the language they use and the way they talk. the regulators too often, as you've pointed out on this show, chris, are captured by the industry which they're regulating. that's why delving into this with more depth is so very, very important because, you know, when you fill up your gas tank, it effects the price. we know that there's speculation in oil. in oil prices, ultimately gas prices. when you use copper, it looks more and more like they're going to go into that business more than they have. copper is in so many
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was yesterday and it's annoying to have to think about. you probably missed bill o'reilly's super racist rant last night. here are some choice bits that give you an overall sense of the full thing. >> young black men commit homicides at a rate ten times greater than whites and hispanics combined. right now about 73% of all black babies are born out of wedlock. white people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock, but the entertainment industry encourages the irresponsibility by marketing a gangster culture. when was the last time you heard the congressional black caucus say that? how about jackson and sharpton? how about president obama? you want a conversation? you got it. you want a better situation for blacks? give them a chance to revive their neighborhoods and culture. >> he bill o'reilly only wants
to create a better situation for blacks. according to him, it's liberals, people like you and me who are ignoring the problems facing african-americans. >> go to detroit and ask anyone living on the south side of the 8 mile road what destroyed their city. they will tell you narcotics. they know addiction leads to crime and debasement. but what do the race hustlers and limousine liberals yell about? the number of black men in prison for selling drugs. oh, it's so unfair. it's a nonviolent crime. and blacks are targeted. that is one of the biggest lies in the history of this country. >> just so we're all clear on this, that is not a lie. it's something tangible, knowable, in fact, it's something we know. white people and black people use drugs at virtually the same rate. in fact, i'm sure bill o'reilly knows white people who use drugs. maybe bill o'reilly uses drugs
for all i know. but here's the thing. black people go to prison for something as simple as marijuana possession more than four times as much as white people. that is a true thing about the world. full stop. if you want further proof about the real cause of long-term harm to urban youth that bill o'reilly seems so concerned about, you need to look at the result of a jaw-dropping two-decade-long study. in 1989, the peak of the crack cocaine epidemic in philadelphia. researchers tracked literal crack babies from birth to adulthood to see if exposure to drugs inutero harmed their development. it led the researchers to a con clus she did not see coming. poverty is a more powerful influence on the outcome of inner city children than exposure to cocaine. in other words, poverty is worse for kids than crack.
i don't know if bill o'reilly is aware that everything he's saying is easily debunked with about 20 minutes of googling. that's not really the point. the real reason bill o'reilly peddles this stuff is because it gives a cheap cracklike high to the old fearful white audience that watches bill o'reilly and gives fox news its power, also known as the republican base. these are the folks bill o'reilly is feeding when he laments not being able to criticize black culture. >> that's because race hustlers and the grievance industry have intimidated the so-called conversation, turning any valid criticism of african-american culture into charges of racial bias. >> i a am not entirely sure of what a single african-american culture is. bill o'reilly is sure. he's so sure when he encounters african-americans that don't contin conform to his vision of their culture, he's amazed. >> there wasn'tylvia sylvia's who was screaming
m-fer, i want more iced tea. >> please. >> you know, everybody was -- it was like going into an italian restaurant in an all-white suburb, in a sense of people were sitting there and they were ordering and having fun and there wasn't any kind of craziness at all. >> further proof bill o'reilly has, let's say, a limited view of african-american culture. oh, look, they're eating with utensils. but it's also proof that if bill o'reilly is representative of white culture, with his stereotyping and his victim blaming and domineering tone, then i'm pretty sure we need to start having a national conversation about the problems with white culture. when we come back, i'll show you what it looks like when the mindset of bill o'reilly gets turned into actual policy and what that does to young black men in the biggest city in the country. that's next. se whole grains aren't healthy unless you actually eat them ♪ multigrain cheerios.
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instead it's about how young black men have failed to understand that this is a nation of laws. it's one of the reasons why ray kelly is out there defending new york's stop and frisk program which stops hundreds of thousands of men, most of them black or brown, though very few of those stops lead to actual charges. now, kelly's name has been floated to replace janet napolitano as the head of the e department of homeland security. he's on a charm offensive after critics called attention to the dramatic disconnect between kelly's record and the national conversation on racial profiling we're having in the wake of the zimmerman verdict. today in a piece he wrote for the "wall street journal" kelly said the practice stop and frisk saves lives. in the 11 years before mayor
michael bloomberg took office, there were 13,212 murders in new york city. tu durings 11 years of his administration, 5,849. that's 7,383 lives saved and if history is a guide, they are largely the lives of young men of color. it has been declining since 1990 and some cities saw their violence decrease by doing the exact opposite of stop and risk and relied on "close cooperation between the police and community that have ended up improving race relations." in fact "the wall street journal," the same paper in which he raved about the success of stop and frisk ran a piece saying that a 50% decrease in the number of stop and frisk coincided with a 30% decline in murder in new york which doesn't make a lot of sense if the number of frisks is the thing that determines the murder rate. the case against stop and frisk was once quite nicely signed up by a former nypd commissioner who observed "a large reservoir
of good will was under construction when i left the police department in 1994. it was called community policing but it was quickly abandoned for tough-sounding rhetoric and dubious stop and frisk tactics that sowed new seeds of community mistrust." joining me now is new york city councilwoman laticia james, a democrat who is running for public a vodvocate. councilwoman, i'll begin with you. the argument is 7,000 lives have been saved. what's your problem? do you wish those people were dead instead? >> it's really not the case. we should not be looking at these policies through the lens of how many lives were saved or whether or not they are legal or whether or not they comport to the constitution of the united states of america and whether or not we're violating the rights primarily of -- >> okay. here's the argument that's made, that the people in the neighborhood you represent worry
about crime and want to see the police do something about it and this is what the police are doing, and in fact, if you look at polling in the city, ray kelly has a fairly high approval rating, fairly high approval rating among african-americans in the city. this is delivering the goods and this is essentially just carping from the side of critics. >> since i'm on the ground, the vast majority of the constituents i represent, new yorkers overall have informed me they want more smart policing, that they want community policing, that they would like a police officer on the beat, a police officer that they can trust. they recognize that stopping and frisking men of color in the city of new york sews the seeds of distrust. >> brian, the thing i think links what bill o'reilly said on his program last night and ray kelly's defense of his record is the idea that the best thing you can do for young african-american men, young african-americans in general is have a very intense law and order state that is very aggressive about policing and putting wrongdoers in jail because the victims of those wrongdoers are, themselves,
african-american, and you have spent your adult career working in the criminal justice system. my question to you is, does that argument have purchase with you? >> no, it really doesn't. it's a distraction. trayvon martin wasn't killed because he didn't have two parents who loved him. he wasn't killed because of some social deficit or some cultural deficit. he was killed because of a p presumption of guilt. all over this country, we're allowing black and brown children to be burdened with the presumption of guilt so they live their whole lives always being suspected. we had the president of the united states acknowledging his own dealings with this p presumption of guilt. when anyone says that's not a problem, when anyone says you should just learn to tolerate that, you're actually feeding this history of distrust and
abuse and presumptions of danger and all of these things that mark the african-american experience in this country, and we will not recover until we address this. >> what's remarkable to me is that the hidden truth behind all of this, behind the stop and frisk conversation, when we're talking about profiling and about suspicion and black-on-black crime which is this phase that i think has an ugly undercurrent to it, is a fact a miracle has happened in this country, the crime rate has gone down incredibly across all different kinds of cities, all different kinds of environments and produced tangible benefits. it does make a big difference there's a lot less crime in new york now. >> it's not tied to the abuse of stop and fricsk. crime is down for a number of reasons. the trajectory of violent crime in our country has been going down since the 1990s. and in addition to that, in the city of new york, we've had more community policing and we've had
more community-based organizations involved in the lives of primarily black and brown people in the city of new york. crime has gone down, again, but there's no correlation between crime going down and the abuse of stop and frisk. >> and brian, the criminal justice system you navigate every day as a lawyer was created by politics that happened largely in the '70s, '80s and '90s when crime was much higher yet we have the laws of suspicion from that era. >> that's right. the metric isn't just crime, alone. i mean, we had 300,000 people in jails and prisons in 1972. 2.3 million peoples in jails and prisons today. our prison population has continued to increase as these rates have gone down. i mean, in this century, a black child born in 2001 has a 32% chance of going to jail or prison compared to a white child. a white boy with a 6% chance. that's horrific. and it creates a new issue for this country to deal with and we have to understand the seriousness of that. >> new york city councilwoman
laticia james. brian stevens sonstevenson. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. thank you at home for swr n joining us. happy tuesday from washington. here i thought the bob mcdonnell news was going to be the big political scandal news of the day. thanks a lot, anthony weiner. love bob mcdonnell. p.s., please save the next pictures of your genital's publication date from day i resign from office. yours truly, governor bob. wow. really? all in the same afternoon? okay. for the record, today is the day that virginia governor bob mcdonnell finally, finally admitted taking over $140,000 in cash for himself and his family from a virginia businessowner who's now under federal investigation. a company that received in return what virginia newspapers are calling special handling from the governor's office.